Boy Scout group associated with Churches of Christ opposes ending no-gays policy (Updated)
Update: Scout leaders have delayed a decision on the possible change.
The board of trustees of Members of Churches of Christ for Scouting is opposing the potential removal of the Boy Scouts of America’s exclusion of gay Scouts and leaders.
Boy Scouts of America spokesman Deron Smith issued a statement this week revealing that the organization is discussing a change in its sexual orientation policy:
“For more than 100 years, Scouting’s focus has been on working together to deliver the nation’s foremost youth program of character development and values-based leadership training. Scouting has always been in an ongoing dialogue with the Scouting family to determine what is in the best interest of the organization and the young people we serve.
“Currently, the BSA is discussing potentially removing the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation. This would mean there would no longer be any national policy regarding sexual orientation, and the chartered organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with each organization’s mission, principles, or religious beliefs. BSA members and parents would be able to choose a local unit that best meets the needs of their families.
“The policy change under discussion would allow the religious, civic, or educational organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting to determine how to address this issue. The Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents. Under this proposed policy, the BSA would not require any chartered organization to act in ways inconsistent with that organization’s mission, principles, or religious beliefs.”
In response, Steve Leddy, national chairman of Abilene, Texas-based Members of Churches of Christ for Scouting, sent the following letter to the Boy Scouts of America national executive committee:
In regard to the proposed changes to the leadership and membership requirements of the Boy Scouts of America I am prayerfully sending this letter on behalf of our Board of Trustees and our thousands of members who love and support scouting.
Members of Churches of Christ for Scouting (MCCS) are recognized by the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) as the representative for Churches of Christ to BSA. MCCS works with congregations to interpret scouting, encourage the use of scouting, and promote spiritual growth through MCCS’s religious emblem program known as the “Servant Leadership Series”. Each of the more than 12,500 congregations* we represent is autonomous.
Our deep belief in the Bible as God’s word is a central, defining tenant of our faith. The Bible tells us that homosexuality is a sin. We love all people, but we hate sin, and integrating those with a sinful lifestyle would be an ethical and moral compromise against our faith.
Members of Churches of Christ for Scouting strongly urges the National BSA Executive Committee to oppose and defeat the proposal to remove the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation. We deeply love and appreciate the Boy Scouts of America and have a 28 year history as an organization of supporting BSA, but we cannot support, at any level of BSA, the proposed policy change now being considered. To allow openly homosexual adults to be members is against our core values and religious principles.
This statement is consistent with the biblical teachings adhered to in Churches of Christ and by the overwhelming majority of over 15,400 youth served by Church of Christ sponsored Scouting units, by the parents and leadership who sponsor over 546 affiliated scouting units**, thousands more of our youth and adults who are BSA members in units not chartered by Churches of Christ and by members of our fellowship which currently number over 1,635,000.***
* Churches of Christ in the United States – 2010
** BSA -National Chartered Organizations Using the Traditional Scouting Program-December 2012
*** National Council of Churches – 2011
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FeedbackNo members with a “sinful lifestyle” – so anyone caught repeatedly gossiping or behaving gluttonously will be dismissed, then?Jessica FulksFebruary, 1 2013Good job with the letter. When I first saw this, I felt that there should be some statement opposing the policy change, but was not sure how to go about it. I fully support your position, and will be in prayer that the policy will not be changed.Ronnie CarterFebruary, 1 2013Thank you. My heart is aching as this continues to grow. I have always thought that the National BSA would continue to stand as a beacon to the greatest standards of Morality and the training of Men young men of Character that understand the value of Servant Leadership. I continue to pray for not just this issue, but individually for the members of the National Board that are bearing this burden. May the Spirit of God guide them in the path of light.John ShipleyFebruary, 1 2013I thought “Members of Churches of Christ for Scouting (MCCS) are recognized by the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) as the representative for Churches of Christ to BSA.” was interesting, regardless the context.Ed DoddsFebruary, 2 2013Homosexuality is a sin that is practiced by many. It is not sinful to be a homosexual but sinful to practice it just like being heterosexual is not a sin but can lead to fornication or adultery that is a sin. Folks need to wake up and fight sin. Someone saying that this lifestyle is okay is ignorant of what Jesus taught. Man should leave father and mother and cling to his wife! What soever God hath joined together let no man put asunder. God made men and women for each other. For the boy scouts to embrace the practice of this sin is flat out wrong. If they do this I will not support this organization! I greatly applaud this move by my brethren because it is RIGHT!jerry wheelerFebruary, 2 2013A well-written letter. I encourage all brothers and sisters in Christ to pray that the BSA will not change its policy.Susan CronkFebruary, 2 2013The attacks from the Left will continue. When will we as a brotherhood begin to speak out. the silence is deafening.Paul CrossFebruary, 3 2013While this potential change is sadly consistent with our nation’s moral decline and the odds are stacked up against godly morality this is not the time to give in to the forces of evil. I’m not suggesting we attack the GLB lobby or their political allies. I am suggesting we FLOOD BSA national and local offices with calls, emails (NOT robomails) and letters supporting the traditional BSA position on homosexual members. This is not just a moral issue, it’s also a grave safety issue for our THOUSANDS of Christian boys. Consider this. If BSA does this MOST TROOPS WILL GIVE IN TO the GLB assault being unwilling and financially unable to fight this legal battle on their own. Troops who refuse to give in will be in jeopardy of lawsuits and harrasment. What’s WORST is that individual scouts will be in jeopardy at any gathering that includes interacting with other units. Jambories, summer camp, high adventure camps, campories, camporals, Order of the Arrow activities, and so many other activities will put our young men in jeopardy. It’s not time to surrender, it’s time to act. Please call the national office at (972) 580-2000 Monday & Tuesday – the vote is Wednesday, Feb 6. Then find your local office (under Boy Scouts in the phone book) and call them. Ask for the Council Executive and talk to him. Be polite, don’t argue, just express your support for the traditional BSA position. Please don’t resign yourself and all our boys to evil.Richard RoperFebruary, 3 2013Most Americans today do not agree with you that homosexuals are evil. This includes a great many religious parents.
The Boy Scouts used to discriminate against African American boys and youths and ended that completely only in 1974. The same religious point of view justified that.
Now the Scouts are going to allow local councils to decide what is morally straight. That is the American way.
The parents of Abilene should not tell the parents of Boston or San Francisco or Austin how to interpret the Bible, and those parents shouldn’t tell you how to interpret the Bible.Jean KatzFebruary, 4 2013Those who oppose the segregation of gays in the Boy Scouts must believe the lifestyle they detest is a contagion passed on by peer pressure. If that is what you really believe, then you should be able to teach your children that this is a behavior that you will not tolerate in your Christian home. Ironically, the gays have been in the Scouts as long as there has been the institution. Just like the military, because of your comfort zones they have been forced to stay in the dark and live a lie. I am convinced that branding other people and allowing (forcing) them to live in the closet is a bigger sin for the Brander than it is for the Branded. How has that been working for all the parents and young children who have been persecuted, murdered, bullied to death, ostracized and placed in a dark and dreary closet all these years. A lot is mentioned in the Bible, and a lot of things we can not understand, and for the people who worship the Bible, instead of God, I question how you can possibly understand the most difficult book ever written. When you say you understand every thing in it, I question whether you really understand any of it. And, if you do, why do we have so many different religions and ways of worship? Sounds like you are all competing to me. It is not a contest nor a book like “Finding Waldo”. But, the way we should treat other people is extremely clear and no where does it say we are to choose who earns civil rights unless they have committed a crime. Either charge the gays with a crime, lock them up like other prisoners, take away their rights, or accept them as being among us. They always have.Hope McKay RiceFebruary, 4 2013Seems odd that a denomination composed of autonomous churches would have a body like the MCCS. So much for congregational polity.
Second, we are now in a time in which members of churches of Christ need to see the writing on the wall: gay folks aren’t going anywhere. We’re your sisters and brothers and sons and daughters. We are healthy, happy, well-adjusted people, and we are loved and accepted by God. You can accept us or not, but we’ll eventually win this argument.Scott LybrandFebruary, 6 2013@Hope McKay Rice
“Those who oppose the segregation of gays in the Boy Scouts must believe the lifestyle they detest is a contagion passed on by peer pressure.”
Where does “peer pressure” play into the following statement?
“Our deep belief in the Bible as God�s word is a central, defining tenant of our faith. The Bible tells us that homosexuality is a sin. We love all people, but we hate sin, and integrating those with a sinful lifestyle would be an ethical and moral compromise against our faith.”
You presented a complete fantasy in assuming that the reason Christians believe homosexuality to be a sin is because of �peer pressure� and then ask them to defend your fantastic assertion.
“A lot is mentioned in the Bible, and a lot of things we can not understand, and for the people who worship the Bible, instead of God, I question how you can possibly understand the most difficult book ever written.”
The Bible is difficult for you because you do not respect the authority of the Bible and do not consider it to be the word of God. That is why you have the leisure to practice such a loose moral code. If what the Bible says does not fit what you have learned and accepted from secularism you simply disregard it as flawed doctrine. Your inability to understand the Bible is your refusal to accept it as truth.
As for having so many different religions, I don�t. I only have one faith. However this is not surprising to one who believes the word of God to be true. In Ephesians 4:14-16 we are told �until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.�
�The way we are to treat other people� is indeed clear. It is made clear in the Bible.
Because you don�t want something to be a sin, does not make it any less of a sin. That is simply just the arrogance of man.Mike DockinsFebruary, 6 2013The answer is very clear and is not really up to interpretation. If you believe the Bible is the inspired word of God and it is the basis of how we live then you can not think that homosexuality is ok. Gays will not inherit the kingdom of God read I Corinthians 6:9. Also Romans 1:26-27 makes it clear that this lifestyle is not ok.
BSA should stand strong against this challenge and not give in to economic pressure from liberal companies. The 12 points of the scout law should be demonstrated by standing up to these challenges that are not new. A scout is reverent, morally straight…. There is no place for this distraction and political up correctness.
This is not discrimination. Homosexuality is not something you are born with it is a lifestyle choice just as polygamy, atheism, or pedophile. If everyone was this way the world would end because you can not reproduce from this.
The very small minority with some money from Hollywood has glamorized the gay lifestyle in everything we watch and see and have made this a new issue. Homosexuality was alive and well in the Roman empire and was one of the reasons for its collapse.
Christians stand up for the morals that the Bible teaches!Todd RobertsFebruary, 7 2013For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. 2Cor13:8 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1Thess5:21 I am the LORD. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.Lev18:22 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,Rom1 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!Isa5:20-21 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.1Cor2:14-14 thank you
Peace ans Grace to all AmericaEric Asante ObengFebruary, 7 2013The “gay” issue is more complex than gossip or lying as some have presented in the comments section of this blog. Accepting as a matter of policy practicing homosexuals opens up our boys to a confused conflicted world view. Would I allow my sons to practice scouting with an openly “gay” scout leader? No. And, I wouldn’t let them serve under anyone that did not appear to have a handle on basic Christian values. Should all scout leaders be “perfect”? No way. I am not perfect. However, I believe that I have a handle on basic Christian values and try to live them out everyday. It is interesting that one of the things that Christopher Yuan points out in his book, Out Of A Far Country, is that in the homosecxual movement, men are possessed with younger boys as sex objects. This is not my view, but, from the mouth of a man who was once fully committed to the homosexual lifestyle as a way of life. May God help us if we roll over and cave in to the pressures of a subculture in our Nation that represents less than 1% of the views of the American people. It is time for us to be vocal about the type of life and country that we prefer. If people want to practice homsexuality as a lifestyle, have at it. Just don’t bring your view in to a group of impressionable boys and present your view as being the correct healthy dominant Christian view. It is not.John EdmersonFebruary, 7 2013Boy Scout scoutmasters go on camping trips with a group of boys. Common sense indicates that you would rather have a heterosexual man alone with boys than a homosexual man. Furthermore, if a scoutmaster molests a boy on such a trip, you can be sure that their will be a huge lawsuit against the Boy Scouts of America. Those who advocate permitting homosexual men to be scoutmasters will watch silently as the BSA is devastated by lawsuits.
We should also note that the Canadian Boy Scouts permitted homosexual scoutmasters, and in the next five years, their number of scouts dropped from 300,000 to 130,000. But, common sense means nothing to ideologues.Clark ColemanFebruary, 7 2013Gossips and liars don’t say “I’m out and I’m proud,” so to speak about their lying and gossiping. Allowing someone to be a Boy Scout or Scout leader who engages in those sins at times is not saying that we approve of these sins. I’m sure that if a Scout leader was shown to be a habitual liar or gossip and was not sorry, and in fact was proud of it, he would be kicked out.Ronald JohnsonFebruary, 7 2013I believe the issue here is Willful sin vs. Struggling with Sin and Confessing our Sins. (Heb 10:26; Rom 7:14-25; 1Jn 1:7-9)
Willful sin is stating/believing something is not sin that is clearly spelled out in the Bible as sin�.In this case being Gay. The Gay Agenda wants to be accepted as a natural normal lifestyle devoid of any wrong doing towards God and Man. This is Willful sin�Rom 7:14-25 is clear. Heb 10:26 tells us that those who indulge in Willful Sin have no Sacrifice for sin left. However, those that Struggle with sin (Rom 7:14-25) and confess those sins (1 Jn 1:7-9) are forgiven (Rom 8:1).
If a person wanted to be a Scout Leader and believed that Cursing is acceptable behavior�and the BSA acknowledge this behavior as acceptable for Scout Leaders, I would assume many of the same people would need to withdrawal from BSA as well (Eph 4:29 is clear on this behavior).
The Gay Agenda is blatantly in Willful Sin but believes this Lifestyle is acceptable and should be accepted by all.
Further, I might add that even if someone is Confessing/Struggling with certain sins they may not be able to control, they should not be in a Leadership role of children.Don FurcheFebruary, 7 2013The idea that LGBT folks are more likely to be abusers just doesn’t hold up against the evidence and is offensive on its face.
Get on board, church. There’s a whole new world coming in which we honor the beautiful complexity of God’s creation. Your children will be better off for having known gay people.Scott LybrandFebruary, 7 2013�We love all people, but we hate sin, and integrating those with a sinful lifestyle would be an ethical and moral compromise against our faith.� Jesus never said �hate the sin�, he just said �Love the people�. Why not use this issue to show we love kids regardless of how many moms or dads they have? That we love people regardless of their sin? We already allow those unfaithful to their spouse, gossips, idolaters, and any of the other sins into the troop, why not homosexuals? And the BSA just wants to allow troops to decide. Scouting is part of my family (I�m married to an Eagle) and I know people already choose which troop their sons go to based on other factors, why not allow this to be just another factor?Tia Stafford DuganFebruary, 7 2013Thank you to the Members of Churches of Christ for Scouting for your letter to the BSA National Executive Committee!Neal CoatesFebruary, 7 2013Homosexuality is a sin! No Children and No Christian should have to be around it, observe it or be obligated in anyway to condone it.
God will deal with it and punish it.
I pray the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts will refrain from any appearance of evil!Don SinquefieldFebruary, 7 2013First, as a Boy Scout, I was taught to be true to myself and others. Second, the Boy Scouts of America receives funding, in part, by organizations such as UPS, American Express, Bank of America, Chevron, and Coca-Cola just to name a few. These companies have taken a stand that funding will no longer be provided if the Boy Scouts is not inclusive of all including gays. If the C of C doesn’t believe in honesty and integrity, then you can always start your own group. But you can’t “have your cake and eat it to”. Already, UPS has pulled funding and many more will unless the Boy Scouts of America adapts to todays society. A recent poll shows over 60% of Americans believe gays should be allowed to join the Boy Scouts. As for our dear Lord and Savior, he said in Romans 12:3 – “Because of the privilege and authority God has given me, I give each of you this warning: Don�t think you are better than you really are. Be honest in your evaluation of yourselves, measuring yourselves by the faith God has given us.”Shawn MorganFebruary, 7 2013Thanks, Steve Leddy and Richard Roper, for your perspective on this issue. I also oppose changing the long-standing rules of BSA. I am sure thzt many of us who have been involved in and supportive of the BSA in the past may drop our support in the future if the changes occur.David DowdeyFebruary, 7 2013Scott Lybrand: The claim that homosexuals are not disproportionately abusers is a red herring. The issue here is the Boy Scouts. If you put a heterosexual man instead of a heterosexual woman in charge of a Girl Scout troop, you are increasing your chances of sexual abuse occurring. If you put a homosexual man instead of a heterosexual man in charge of a Boy Scout troop, the chances of sexual abuse increase. Even if I were to accept, for the sake of discussion, that heterosexual men abuse girls as often as homosexual men abuse boys, that has no relevance to the Boy Scouts situation being discussed.Clark ColemanFebruary, 7 2013As for the argument that this is a safety issue, I do not believe it is. In any organization dealing with children, no adult should EVER be in a situation where he or she is alone with a child, whether that person is gay or straight. Policies like that are what protect children, not “keeping them away from gays” since it has not been proven that being gay makes anyone more likely to molest children. How is a gay scout leader any different from a having a male heterosexual teacher in a room full of girls? I don’t think it is, except that some people are homophobic.Nancy AdamsFebruary, 7 2013@Clark Coleman
“If you put a heterosexual man instead of a heterosexual woman in charge of a Girl Scout troop, you are increasing your chances of sexual abuse occurring.”
THIS IS INCREDIBLY ABSURD. First of all, like Nancy Adams has pointed out, an adult and a minor should NEVER be alone together, period, end of story. If that policy isn’t in place, you should NOT send your child into that situation. Secondly, that statement makes a huge and negative assumption that adults are not only inherently attracted to minors, but are also inherently devoid of self-control, common decency, and a plethora of other things that I’m having trouble putting into words because I’m still processing the complete absurdity of your statement. People who truly think like that must have the lowest opinion of their fellow human beings ever. I’m so sorry that you think so little of your fellow (wo)man. I, personally, don’t see someone and automatically assume “PEDO” – and if your life experience has caused you to think that way, I am truly sorry.Jessica FulksFebruary, 7 2013Just a couple points to clarify.
– This is just not a “right” issue. BSA is not a government organization, it is a private organization. If 60% of Americans decided that our congregation(s) should stop praying in the name of Jesus Christ, would we do so? No, we’re a private organization that openly recruits, but still has specific expectations of its members. BSA has offered to help other groups start their own organization(s). They even set up a specific subset that does not have the same rules regarding homosexuals, so they would have that freedom. The problem here is that the LGBT lobby just isn’t going to be happy with their freedom until it takes someone else’s away.
– Just letting the individual troops decide is a false solution. It opens individual troops to litigation they will never be able to withstand (the precise reason this strategy is being proposed). All troops will be faced with a choice, drop the traditional position or fold. Even if this could work on the legal front, blocking homosexual membership from a single troop would do nothing to protect our scouts at joint activities like summer camp, Jamborees, etc. Talk about a “red herring.”Richard RoperFebruary, 8 2013Jessica Fulks: I did not say that there is a high chance of abuse in any particular situation, only that some situations have higher chances than others. I do not assume any particular heterosexual or homosexual man is a pedophile, only that certain situations will produce a higher number of abuse cases than others. If 10,000 heterosexual men are in charge of 10,000 Girl Scout troops across the country, the overwhelming majority of those men will not abuse those girls. But it is still not wise, because a few will abuse, and there is no reason to let that happen.
You agreed that one adult should not be alone with children. If I applied your hyperventilating logic to this policy, I could claim that you are assuming each adult is a pedophile. Of course, you are making no such assumption. You are just stating that it is wiser to have two adults holding each other accountable than to have only one adult. The same common sense applies to having homosexual scoutmasters in the Boy Scouts. It does not depend upon a claim that a high percentage of homosexual men are abusers.Clark ColemanFebruary, 8 2013Thank you, everyone, for your comments. As mentioned earlier, our comment policy requires first and last names and feedback that promotes thoughtful and respectful discussion. I would add to that: Those who comment should focus on the issue and not address comments to individuals.Bobby Ross Jr.February, 8 2013Likewise, I have sent my comments to BSA opposing a change on the policy on allowing gay scout leaders or condoning homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle. Thanks for standing up for God’s will and his way. Even if the majority support this sin, it will still be sin.Alan MillerFebruary, 8 2013If anyone would like to find out more about MCCS, please go to <a href=”http://www.goodservant.org” rel=”nofollow”>www.goodservant.org</a>. If you have comments on this issue you may email them to <a href=”mailto:[email protected]” rel=”nofollow”>[email protected]</a>.Nathan WilliamsFebruary, 12 2013How old is the typical Boy Scout?. Not old enough to be sexually active regardless of his sexual orientation. And, for sure he is not married to someone of the opposite sex. How can you even know if a young boy will later become a homosexual and if he is leaning toward that “sinful” lifestyle, what a great opportunity for the Christian example to hopefully redirect him. Chances are if he is already practicing homosexual activity, his “straight” peers are practicing fornication or sex without marriage, so it seems like a toss up, when we are judging the morals of a young boy. How is “Honest and Open Gays in the Military” negatively affecting our warriors? I do not agree that it is a tenant of the Christian faith to force anyone to live a lie, just because of your judgmental attitude and small comfort zone. That worries me more about you than about “them”.Hope McKay RiceJune, 13 2013After reading all these posts there are only two conclusions. You understand its sinful and you care about the word of God or you don’t care about God or His word!Don SinquefieldJune, 17 2013I’ve seen lot’s of thoughtful and concerned comments here and elsewhere on this difficult issue. In general, I think it’s important to work through these issues – when the object is to learn, grow, and encourage each other, but think about this. When you call out for tolerance and inclusion for the sake of grace and love in the hope that exposure to practicing Christians will draw people to God, you are also calling on Christian families to use their children as a tool in this ministry. Yes, sinners can benefit from exposure to strong, loving Christians, but the exposure goes both ways. Aside from the fact that “Christian” troops will be explicitly prohibited from teaching or encouraging anything but total acceptance and validation of homosexuality, as both “reverent” and “morally straight”, our children will be placed in a situation where the lifestyle and beliefs of others are just as likely to affect them, as our beliefs and lifestyles will affect others. Beyond the physical risk this situation poses, the spiritual risk is enormous. Yes, many of our kids go to school with all kinds of other kids, but they aren’t typically sleeping in a two person tent or showering one weekend every month with them. Also, when you send your kid to any program or activity, you implicitly endorse what they will see and hear in that program. By the way, a large number of scouting families are also home schooling families who have rejected the idea of immersing their kids in the public school model of modern society. It makes no sense to tell those families to do in scouting what they rejected in public schools.
Seriously, when you suggest someone else do something, you really have to ask yourself if you really would do the same. Would you send your 13 year old daughter to tent and shower with a 15 year old boy? Even if it might result in some good influence, we all see this as a ridiculous idea. Yet that is exactly what some are asking scouting families to do when they tell us to keep our boys in scouting. BSA’s statement that no sexual activity is appropriate, if not ridiculously obvious (right now), but it’s nothing more than a paper tiger and will have zero impact on behavior.
This isn’t Monday night football and you can’t get credit for calling someone else’s play from the sidelines. If you think someone should work with teens who believe they are homosexual; jump in, start a program, get involved, but don’t demand someone else run your plays in a program you aren’t involved in. Brothers & Sisters, Christianity is a full contact life and it cannot be effectively executed from the sidelines.
Peace.Rich RoperJune, 18 2013